but, are they still keeping us safe and reducing accidents at intersections that have historically seen higher levels of accidents? coz... that's what they're for right?

"MonkeePuzzle" (monkeypuzzle) 04/08/2020 at 11:28 • Filed to: None

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Future next gen S2000 owner > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:37

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It’s almost as if they aren’t there to reduce bad behavior but to increase revenue.......

CalzoneGolem > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:38

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I thought that’s what traffic circle were for?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:38

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I really like how we’re not lying about corruption anymore. We’re just doing it out in the open. 

PyramidHat > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:38

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Well.  Tough titty

Tripper > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/08/2020 at 11:41

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Yea totes acceptable now.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:43

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Texas outlawed them!

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:43

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Whenever I see a red light camera story, I feel compelled to bring this up: if you are issued a citation by one, consult the section of the municipal code of the municipality that the ticket was issued by. In many areas, there is no real enforcement mechanism.

In my city, the revised code section for camera tickets specifically says the ticket cannot be reported to the BMV, police, credit agency, bank, or any other legal authority. Fines can only be levied in a civil suit (three tickets later, I still haven’t had a summons) and your vehicle cannot be impounded. Most of the revenue from the tickets doesn’t even go to the municipality that issued it.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:44

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I’m proud to say they were found unconstitutional in my great state of Minnesota, so we don’t have to worry about it.

Also, fuck red light cameras. If there’s any justice in the world, all the companies will go out of business.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/08/2020 at 11:46

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It’s the transparency that we’ve been demanding.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Tripper 04/08/2020 at 11:48

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So if I started stealing money from my charity or a PAC I started, no one cares right?

facw > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:49

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I’d be fine with them if the point was actually safety. Unfortunately...

For Sweden > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:50

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Tired: risking infection to save the economy

Wired: running red lights to save the economy

TheJWT > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:52

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WilliamsSW > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 11:54

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Good.  Hope they go bankrupt and DIAF.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 04/08/2020 at 11:55

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Most of the revenue from the tickets doesn’t even go to the municipality that issued it.

That’s always been one of my biggest complaints about these.

wafflesnfalafel > For Sweden 04/08/2020 at 11:55

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So if I already have made my “contribution” to the red light camera fund does that mean I am doing my part? 

Tripper > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/08/2020 at 11:56

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I mean, I care bro. 

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Tripper 04/08/2020 at 11:57

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Thanks, bro

want 10%?

SpecsGTP > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 12:00

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Vote out of office all “officials” who are in favor of red light and speed cameras. If the original officials are out, vote out those that are against removing them.

Chariotoflove > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 12:01

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There was a long article in the Dallas Morning News about how the cameras in TX had cut down significantly on bad accidents, but the biggest benefit they lost was the revenue stream. I laughed while reading because no one even tried to disguise that the money was the biggest concern.

I still don’t have a problem with the cameras, even though I was caught by one, because if you just obey the law, then you don’t get caught.  We have so very many yahoos flying through red lights here.

Chariotoflove > Snuze: Needs another Swede 04/08/2020 at 12:02

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Did not know that.  That’s a problem.  

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Snuze: Needs another Swede 04/08/2020 at 12:02

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This is my main issue with it. That, and red light cameras have been shown to issue citations for yellow lights, and the companies who manage the cameras have petitioned to shorten yellow lights to make more people run lights, making them dangerous.

Also just noticed that in my original comment, I wrote “red light cameras”. I’m not condoning running reds. I meant speeding ticket cameras.

Chariotoflove > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/08/2020 at 12:03

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That’s fascinating.  Under what provisions was that ruling made?

Tripper > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/08/2020 at 12:10

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count me in

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Chariotoflove 04/08/2020 at 12:11

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I have absolutely no idea. The way I understand it (Massive salt grain), there has to be an active duty officer present at the time of the driving infraction to be able to write a ticket for it.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/08/2020 at 12:12

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Blurb from an article:

“Using cameras to issue traffic citations is illegal in Minnesota . Minneapolis tried it in 2005, but the cameras were turned off eight months later after a judge struck down the ordinance. The state Supreme Court upheld the decision in 2007, saying it was impossible to prove who was driving from the license plate alone.”

Future next gen S2000 owner > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/08/2020 at 12:19

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Not until you get caught. But you could give yourself an  extravagant salary. It’s not stealing when you pay taxes on it.

Chariotoflove > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/08/2020 at 12:29

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That is interesting.  I think I can guess where that’s going.  The citation is issued to an individual, not a vehicle.  You can’t cite the owner of the car unless you can prove he was the one committing the infraction.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Future next gen S2000 owner 04/08/2020 at 12:33

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I like that. Someone around here is bumping their last 2 brain cells together, and it’s not me.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Chariotoflove 04/08/2020 at 12:37

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I’d guess so. Either way, win for me!

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Chariotoflove 04/08/2020 at 12:55

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I recall reading at one point that the next county over installed a bunch of them, and they were getting something like $14 on every $50 ticket, the rest went to the private contracting firm that they hired to operate the camera . 

Chariotoflove > Snuze: Needs another Swede 04/08/2020 at 13:01

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That’s a bigger cut off the top than the Girl Scouts take  for cookie sales.

fintail > MonkeePuzzle 04/08/2020 at 13:41

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I’d love to see the bribes and other fun offered to local officials to get this stuff going in the first place.    I suppose in this corrupt era, it finally fits.